Today, seized by a strange spirit, I made the brief pilgrimage to the grave of the poacher Hartl Hörmannsdorfer, as I am wont to do now and again. He is buried at the foot of the Mangfall Mountains, in whose shadow I have lived since founding the plague chronicle, in the churchyard of
Although the parallels aren’t exact, I imagine there are a lot of Hartl Hörmannsdorfer’s within the ranks of the farmers protesting the draconian measures being enacted by the WEF loving governments of Europe.
This is beautiful, thank you Eugyppius. You clearly were inspired. To my mind, this piece ties together cancel culture, the “rules-based” international order, gun control, defending the right to keep and bear arms, censorship and revision of historical facts, interest group lobbying, and punishment even unto death for those who defy unjust crackdowns imposed from on high — all in an alpine village more than 75 years ago. Rest in peace, Hartl, and may perpetual light shine upon you!
I look forward to your 'writings'....we are indeed kindred spirits! My home is just outside of Pagosa Springs, Colorado...in the crux formed by the San Juan Mountains and the East San Juans. We formerly FREE AMERICANS up here think of ourselves as 'WOLVERINES' fighting against the corrupt government wolves! THANK YOU for your insightful words over the past 4 years or so.
I spend much time in the northern British Columbia wilderness hunting mostly for moose ,sometimes for mountain goats or sheep .Sometime I went with a companion ,but more often alone .Deactivated logging roads that took me more than a hundred km.into wild mountain forest lands .Later I used a canoe to follow rivers into wilderness ,with no other human for a hundred miles .I did shoot a moose almost every year and always made sure I would get the meat out .I had my adventures with bears and was lucky never to get hurt .One time sleeping on the ground next to my camp fire a pear looked down on me at about four o clock in the morning ,his head no more than two feet away .I jumped up and let out a yell ,that must have scared him more than he was able to scare me .Now at almost 88 I gave up hunting and sold my three guns six years ago . I was born a German What was than the Sudeten land ,close to the Autrian border .As a kid just before the end of the II W.W. .I still remember quite a bit .The bombings of a city 60 km. away and the sky full of U.S And British bombers overhead every day .The ground shaking when the bombs went off .The town I lived in had a population of only. a few hundred people so we did not get bombed .Than the end of the war came with solders and masses of their equipment getting dumped along roads over the bridge in the water and the playground was full of trucks out of fuel and a ten foot high pile of weapons and ammunition .Than after a while thee American army arrived and they camped in an orchard in town in tents .They took over the school as a makeshift hospital and two solders took over our bedroom .They where friendly and did no harm .My mother had a piece of grassy meadow for the cow she kept ,also one sheep and a pig .The piece of grass was taken and occupied by an artillery unit and crew ,so no more grass .Anyway the all went away and the Szech Government took over ,together with a notice to be at a railway station at a certain date with no more than fifty pounds for transport to Germany .Any damage done to the property left behind would be severely punished .When I was older I did discuss with my mother ,things I did not understand as a nine year old .So we where in a box car with thirty other mostly women ,children and old people for ten days .There where no windows ,the door had to be open all the time for air and some light F.our or five old men sat in the door opening for security with a rope across.day and night .I as a kid was curious looking out through the door as often as I could,seeing the devastation of towns turned to rubble .We traveled only 400 km .in ten days because most of the rail lines where in ruins .back and forward we went ,having no idea where we would end up .Sometime one of the old men had to run to get a pail of water when the train stopped .Than one person died there was crying by the women I remember ..It was also very hot in the car so the body had to be put outside beside the track as the train moved on .I would have much more to say ,but the comment is getting too long already so I will .Thank you . finish now . Joe .
came to Canada in 1957 .Sorry I did not correct the spelling errors in my posting .Oh and by the way I must admit that I did some poaching ,since I was always a bit of a rebel against the authoritarians ..
Readers here, please be alert to the encroachment of free use of land by the growth of conservancy organizations and easements. It is just another way to gain private ownership of public lands that the public traditionally has had access to enjoy and use.
Groups such as The Nature Conservancy and the World Wildlife Fund wish to keep mongrel peasant serf regular folk from wilderness and hope to turn it into another greedy profitable stock market enterprise by the use of their predictable fluffy language.
Fab warning, so tragic many of the benevolently named NGOs are just tax fee consumer frauds. Since the 1990s Sourcewatch has done an epic job of documenting the green-washed astroturf w priceless overviews of the groups.
The Nature Conservancy is considered a Big Green environmental group, one of the largest and most prominent in the world. It is a member of Natural Resources Council of America. It "sits on nearly a billion dollars in assets and is awash in cash, thanks to a tidal wave of corporate donations, much of it from notorious polluters such as Arco, Archer-Daniels-Midland, British Petroleum, DuPont, Shell and Freeport-McMoRan. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/The_Nature_Conservancy
WWF was the original acronym for the "World Wildlife Fund".... It is considered a member of the Big Green environmental groups. It is a member of Natural Resources Council of America... fun details of Big Tobacco & Bilderbergs funding
This is a valuable reminder that atrocities of this nature have always been perpetrated against us, the common people. Telling other human beings that they have no right to partake of wild game caught by their own exertions. At your next visit you pay pour out a tiny bit of Barenjager in my name, if you will.
Very interesting. Eugyppius and others, what is a good book (no 800 page-long slog, please) that covers German history (especially the hardships experienced) in the years immediately following the end of WW 2?
Probably not exactly what you are looking for, Doc, which I’m thinking is the staggering material hardships suffered by the civilian population. But one hardship that for me stands out as equal to or even greater than the material hardships, because so devastating for the soul, was the fate of Germany’s military personnel captured by the Red Army. Not only that they died in appalling numbers, but that the last of them to be released did not return home until 1956. When I first learned this I was shocked. After their time in hell, many returned to find, of course, that their wives, children, extended family, neighbors and friends were among the civilian population killed in the inexcusably deliberate and indiscriminate Allied bombing of residential areas. Leaving them without close bonds. Some of their wives had abandoned hope and moved on to start new lives with other men. Being born and raised among the war’s “victors”, I had never heard or read a single word about those men until I moved to Germany, about such a heart-breaking chapter in history. To this day, I can hardly think about them … it’s just too much.
Thanks, Prodigal. This is truly an underreported period of history. I read a lot of history books on WW2, but they almost never touch on the fate of German POWs after the slaughter stopped.
I have started my Substack publication, Doc. So far there only several "Notes", but no articles yet. I'd be pleased if you would have a look, and if you like, forward the link to others who are on "our wavelength" :) I am planning to soon be posting content to it regularly. It is here: https://filiusprodigus.substack.com/p/coming-soon All the best!
Telling though, isn't it? I had never heard of the German POWs being held for more than 10 years, nor the brutality of these "victors" in England. And I only heard about the "Rheinwiesenlager" after I came to Germany. No German has forgotten any of this of course, but they generally are very reluctant to so much as mention the abuses by the Allies, in my experience.
Did what you find mention there were nine cages in Britain where the torture of Germans took place? Thousands of them. Though Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Scotland who ran the London one was one of the most brutal men going.
The documents have not long been released after decades of denial.
It seems to have worked. Germany has not started another war since. Nor Japan. Carthago delenda est, no,? Is there any nation that was able to end the depredation of an aggressive neighbor peaceably? A "broken windows" policy of international governance?
And of couse one wonders what necessary retribution will be meted out to our AINO Reich.
Given it was war and both sides carried out questionable acts this is hardly to be surprised at. I imagine the soldiers that liberated the death camps would have like a few cages for the guards. The ordinary guards were given laughable sentences whilst the surviving inmates have had life sentences of memories of the atrocities that they would like to forget.
As already said, winners write the history, which also means they own it, that doesn't make it true, it's best to take a middle line, keep digging and you might easily have to find yourself reassessing what you think you know.
There were also horrible hardships after WWI, including children being forced to work in mines. I’ve read that the war reparations being levied were considered by many to be shocking.
Poaching seems to be quite a sport in Bavaria; one of the most famous being the "Bayerische Hiasl" Matthias Klostermayr (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Klostermayr). Always (everywhere I guess) had this aura of rebellion and reticence, something almost revolutionary, anti-feudal, self-determined. Dangerous fellows though.
What a Geschichte! Gibt es ein Dorf named Hörmann? Schweizerdeutsch was my second language by the time I was 6 and I lived in Frankfurt from 1965-72… I still love translating names usw.
Speaking of “ Dorfers” and disease, I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Willie Burgdorfer at a Lyme Disease Seminar in 1996. Sad that as he approached dying, the mainstream medical community discredited him. Borrelia Burgdorferei…. Speaking of GOF pathogens….he knew.
He was speaking specifically on the spirochetal bacteria “Burgdorfferei” that like Syphilis is a corkscrew shaped pathogen that burrows inside our cells. It’s why I was treated with Antibiotics with an assist from PlaQUINel, HCQ. Dr. Burgdorfer was part of the original Operation Paperclip…. Sharing his knowledge of Hitlers Bio warfare agents with our scientists. Enter Plum Island and conspiracy theories. The last few years of his life, he seemed to be wanting to clear his conscience … and our government agencies needed to silence him. So they depicted him as a crazy old man saying crazy things about tweaking natural pathogens…… and here we are still being called crazy for considering GOF of the common cold virus…..
I really think the Plum Island involvement could be real, especially since the primary vectors are mice and birds. Easy spread to Lyme and the Hamptons
And Deer… the deer were initial carriers.Low tide they swim across the Long Island Sound to Plum Island and feed on the Beach Plum Bushes…. Then swim back in the shallower channel to Old Lyme, Ct. … hence the name. First brought to the attention of Dr. Alan Steere by Polly Murray who witnessed her two year old go from being ambulatory to crawling with swollen knees. “ The Widening Circle” by Polly Murray. She too was discredited for theorizing that perhaps there was a connection between tick infections and auto immune diseases like Lupus. Lupus patients take HCQ daily…. Funny for me to revisit this topic after so many years….
I’m thinking quinine has to help. When I got it, I was told for years that it was all in my mind, except for the one doctor who told me it was from riding my bike in the wind.
Penalties for poachers are unduly harsh in other places as well. In 2017, a young cowboy who worked for me in Wyoming was caught by a game warden skinning an antelope he had shot on my private land. Never mind that these creatures were so prolific (and very destructive to hay crops) that the wardens often conducted mass culling to lower the population. This poor kid, a single father, almost lost custody of his young daughter for this crime. In the end, with the aid of an expensive lawyer, he paid a $5000 fine and lost hunting privileges for a year. The fact that I did not want to press charges made no difference.
Pennsylvania where I raised my family has (by various government study reports) one of the healthiest deer populations in the country. Also record numbers of deer hunterby population. At least it was so when I was living there.
I wonder how the health of the deer and wild ruminant populations in Germany fared during the hunting prohibitions after the war? I guess that is a rhetorical question.
Interesting. Never knew we also have cemetery censors to worry about.
Cemetery __________are everywhere.
Although the parallels aren’t exact, I imagine there are a lot of Hartl Hörmannsdorfer’s within the ranks of the farmers protesting the draconian measures being enacted by the WEF loving governments of Europe.
This is beautiful, thank you Eugyppius. You clearly were inspired. To my mind, this piece ties together cancel culture, the “rules-based” international order, gun control, defending the right to keep and bear arms, censorship and revision of historical facts, interest group lobbying, and punishment even unto death for those who defy unjust crackdowns imposed from on high — all in an alpine village more than 75 years ago. Rest in peace, Hartl, and may perpetual light shine upon you!
Love the story. Very interesting.
A story I will keep. At least vaccine mandates did not lead to the unvaccinated being shot - next time maybe.
The vaccine mandates forced people to line up to be shot and die. Pretty close
We were closer to that than you might think.
I look forward to your 'writings'....we are indeed kindred spirits! My home is just outside of Pagosa Springs, Colorado...in the crux formed by the San Juan Mountains and the East San Juans. We formerly FREE AMERICANS up here think of ourselves as 'WOLVERINES' fighting against the corrupt government wolves! THANK YOU for your insightful words over the past 4 years or so.
Covid revealed we are not the Wolverines we fancy ourselves.
I spend much time in the northern British Columbia wilderness hunting mostly for moose ,sometimes for mountain goats or sheep .Sometime I went with a companion ,but more often alone .Deactivated logging roads that took me more than a hundred km.into wild mountain forest lands .Later I used a canoe to follow rivers into wilderness ,with no other human for a hundred miles .I did shoot a moose almost every year and always made sure I would get the meat out .I had my adventures with bears and was lucky never to get hurt .One time sleeping on the ground next to my camp fire a pear looked down on me at about four o clock in the morning ,his head no more than two feet away .I jumped up and let out a yell ,that must have scared him more than he was able to scare me .Now at almost 88 I gave up hunting and sold my three guns six years ago . I was born a German What was than the Sudeten land ,close to the Autrian border .As a kid just before the end of the II W.W. .I still remember quite a bit .The bombings of a city 60 km. away and the sky full of U.S And British bombers overhead every day .The ground shaking when the bombs went off .The town I lived in had a population of only. a few hundred people so we did not get bombed .Than the end of the war came with solders and masses of their equipment getting dumped along roads over the bridge in the water and the playground was full of trucks out of fuel and a ten foot high pile of weapons and ammunition .Than after a while thee American army arrived and they camped in an orchard in town in tents .They took over the school as a makeshift hospital and two solders took over our bedroom .They where friendly and did no harm .My mother had a piece of grassy meadow for the cow she kept ,also one sheep and a pig .The piece of grass was taken and occupied by an artillery unit and crew ,so no more grass .Anyway the all went away and the Szech Government took over ,together with a notice to be at a railway station at a certain date with no more than fifty pounds for transport to Germany .Any damage done to the property left behind would be severely punished .When I was older I did discuss with my mother ,things I did not understand as a nine year old .So we where in a box car with thirty other mostly women ,children and old people for ten days .There where no windows ,the door had to be open all the time for air and some light F.our or five old men sat in the door opening for security with a rope across.day and night .I as a kid was curious looking out through the door as often as I could,seeing the devastation of towns turned to rubble .We traveled only 400 km .in ten days because most of the rail lines where in ruins .back and forward we went ,having no idea where we would end up .Sometime one of the old men had to run to get a pail of water when the train stopped .Than one person died there was crying by the women I remember ..It was also very hot in the car so the body had to be put outside beside the track as the train moved on .I would have much more to say ,but the comment is getting too long already so I will .Thank you . finish now . Joe .
came to Canada in 1957 .Sorry I did not correct the spelling errors in my posting .Oh and by the way I must admit that I did some poaching ,since I was always a bit of a rebel against the authoritarians ..
less government the better
Speak for yourself.
Pagosa Springs is one of my vary favorite areas! Been a while since I was there last, but hope you get to those mountains again someday.
Pagosa is so beautiful. Thought about getting a place up there, but Colorado’s Commie government tendencies scared me away.
Readers here, please be alert to the encroachment of free use of land by the growth of conservancy organizations and easements. It is just another way to gain private ownership of public lands that the public traditionally has had access to enjoy and use.
Groups such as The Nature Conservancy and the World Wildlife Fund wish to keep mongrel peasant serf regular folk from wilderness and hope to turn it into another greedy profitable stock market enterprise by the use of their predictable fluffy language.
Keep Public Lands Public.
My son has a t-shirt that says this and he works for the US Forest Service.
Fab warning, so tragic many of the benevolently named NGOs are just tax fee consumer frauds. Since the 1990s Sourcewatch has done an epic job of documenting the green-washed astroturf w priceless overviews of the groups.
The Nature Conservancy is considered a Big Green environmental group, one of the largest and most prominent in the world. It is a member of Natural Resources Council of America. It "sits on nearly a billion dollars in assets and is awash in cash, thanks to a tidal wave of corporate donations, much of it from notorious polluters such as Arco, Archer-Daniels-Midland, British Petroleum, DuPont, Shell and Freeport-McMoRan. https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/The_Nature_Conservancy
WWF was the original acronym for the "World Wildlife Fund".... It is considered a member of the Big Green environmental groups. It is a member of Natural Resources Council of America... fun details of Big Tobacco & Bilderbergs funding
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/WWF
Basically money laundering operations. Just criminal. And they don't even help to sustain our forests! The hunters are much better conservators!
This is a valuable reminder that atrocities of this nature have always been perpetrated against us, the common people. Telling other human beings that they have no right to partake of wild game caught by their own exertions. At your next visit you pay pour out a tiny bit of Barenjager in my name, if you will.
Let’s go out and partake of our right to hunt passenger pigeons.
Took a lot of passenger pigeons to feed a family of four. The whole street and grandma across the woods could eat a deer with leftovers for meatballs.
Back from the bailey, into the motte
Hunting as the Graf's sport rather than as the peasant's meal. I'm with the poacher most of the time. Pheasants seem an extravagance either way.
Very interesting. Eugyppius and others, what is a good book (no 800 page-long slog, please) that covers German history (especially the hardships experienced) in the years immediately following the end of WW 2?
I've not read it, but Harald Jähner, Aftermath comes to mind. it is not very long.
Thanks.
Probably not exactly what you are looking for, Doc, which I’m thinking is the staggering material hardships suffered by the civilian population. But one hardship that for me stands out as equal to or even greater than the material hardships, because so devastating for the soul, was the fate of Germany’s military personnel captured by the Red Army. Not only that they died in appalling numbers, but that the last of them to be released did not return home until 1956. When I first learned this I was shocked. After their time in hell, many returned to find, of course, that their wives, children, extended family, neighbors and friends were among the civilian population killed in the inexcusably deliberate and indiscriminate Allied bombing of residential areas. Leaving them without close bonds. Some of their wives had abandoned hope and moved on to start new lives with other men. Being born and raised among the war’s “victors”, I had never heard or read a single word about those men until I moved to Germany, about such a heart-breaking chapter in history. To this day, I can hardly think about them … it’s just too much.
Thanks, Prodigal. This is truly an underreported period of history. I read a lot of history books on WW2, but they almost never touch on the fate of German POWs after the slaughter stopped.
I have started my Substack publication, Doc. So far there only several "Notes", but no articles yet. I'd be pleased if you would have a look, and if you like, forward the link to others who are on "our wavelength" :) I am planning to soon be posting content to it regularly. It is here: https://filiusprodigus.substack.com/p/coming-soon All the best!
I signed up, Prodigal. Looking forward to it.
Watch the movie, "Das Wunder von Bern" (it has English subtitles); it touches on the subject.
Thank you for the tip!
Indeed and then there were the London Cages, hardly known about where German prisoners were tortured for the hell of it.
I've never heard of this. Is it well known, will I find info online?
Found it, thank you Ms. Baker
Telling though, isn't it? I had never heard of the German POWs being held for more than 10 years, nor the brutality of these "victors" in England. And I only heard about the "Rheinwiesenlager" after I came to Germany. No German has forgotten any of this of course, but they generally are very reluctant to so much as mention the abuses by the Allies, in my experience.
Did what you find mention there were nine cages in Britain where the torture of Germans took place? Thousands of them. Though Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Scotland who ran the London one was one of the most brutal men going.
The documents have not long been released after decades of denial.
It seems to have worked. Germany has not started another war since. Nor Japan. Carthago delenda est, no,? Is there any nation that was able to end the depredation of an aggressive neighbor peaceably? A "broken windows" policy of international governance?
And of couse one wonders what necessary retribution will be meted out to our AINO Reich.
Given it was war and both sides carried out questionable acts this is hardly to be surprised at. I imagine the soldiers that liberated the death camps would have like a few cages for the guards. The ordinary guards were given laughable sentences whilst the surviving inmates have had life sentences of memories of the atrocities that they would like to forget.
As already said, winners write the history, which also means they own it, that doesn't make it true, it's best to take a middle line, keep digging and you might easily have to find yourself reassessing what you think you know.
Satan delights in the suffering of all. He is an equal-opprtunity deceiver and destroyer, who sets his snares for all of us here in our fallen state.
My mother would tell me about the French putting German children to work in mines and other unpleasant unsafe places after the war.
There were also horrible hardships after WWI, including children being forced to work in mines. I’ve read that the war reparations being levied were considered by many to be shocking.
Just look at the Allied embargo of the Axis powers that extended after Armistice Day, and the deliberate effort to deny those countries food.
Thank you for the story. I agree with others at least non vaxxers have not been shot in the back , thus far.
Censorship on headstones. Good gravy
Poaching seems to be quite a sport in Bavaria; one of the most famous being the "Bayerische Hiasl" Matthias Klostermayr (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Klostermayr). Always (everywhere I guess) had this aura of rebellion and reticence, something almost revolutionary, anti-feudal, self-determined. Dangerous fellows though.
yes the poachers are subject of a great deal of legend and romance. there are a few other famous poachers i know of, maybe I post about them too.
My Irish GGrandfather was imprisoned by the damned English for 'poaching' the king's deer during the famine. He won...he was forcibly transported out!
Wow! Thank you for this story/account of this valued man. May we learn valuable lessons from his life. ♥️
More like this, please!
What a Geschichte! Gibt es ein Dorf named Hörmann? Schweizerdeutsch was my second language by the time I was 6 and I lived in Frankfurt from 1965-72… I still love translating names usw.
I can only find one Hörmannsdorf, and it's very far away, north of Regensburg. maybe his name derives from another forgotten settlement in Oberbayern.
Speaking of “ Dorfers” and disease, I had the privilege of meeting Dr. Willie Burgdorfer at a Lyme Disease Seminar in 1996. Sad that as he approached dying, the mainstream medical community discredited him. Borrelia Burgdorferei…. Speaking of GOF pathogens….he knew.
Very interested in what he had to say.
He was speaking specifically on the spirochetal bacteria “Burgdorfferei” that like Syphilis is a corkscrew shaped pathogen that burrows inside our cells. It’s why I was treated with Antibiotics with an assist from PlaQUINel, HCQ. Dr. Burgdorfer was part of the original Operation Paperclip…. Sharing his knowledge of Hitlers Bio warfare agents with our scientists. Enter Plum Island and conspiracy theories. The last few years of his life, he seemed to be wanting to clear his conscience … and our government agencies needed to silence him. So they depicted him as a crazy old man saying crazy things about tweaking natural pathogens…… and here we are still being called crazy for considering GOF of the common cold virus…..
I really think the Plum Island involvement could be real, especially since the primary vectors are mice and birds. Easy spread to Lyme and the Hamptons
And Deer… the deer were initial carriers.Low tide they swim across the Long Island Sound to Plum Island and feed on the Beach Plum Bushes…. Then swim back in the shallower channel to Old Lyme, Ct. … hence the name. First brought to the attention of Dr. Alan Steere by Polly Murray who witnessed her two year old go from being ambulatory to crawling with swollen knees. “ The Widening Circle” by Polly Murray. She too was discredited for theorizing that perhaps there was a connection between tick infections and auto immune diseases like Lupus. Lupus patients take HCQ daily…. Funny for me to revisit this topic after so many years….
I’m thinking quinine has to help. When I got it, I was told for years that it was all in my mind, except for the one doctor who told me it was from riding my bike in the wind.
How can Bells Palsy be psychosomatic?
Thank you
Penalties for poachers are unduly harsh in other places as well. In 2017, a young cowboy who worked for me in Wyoming was caught by a game warden skinning an antelope he had shot on my private land. Never mind that these creatures were so prolific (and very destructive to hay crops) that the wardens often conducted mass culling to lower the population. This poor kid, a single father, almost lost custody of his young daughter for this crime. In the end, with the aid of an expensive lawyer, he paid a $5000 fine and lost hunting privileges for a year. The fact that I did not want to press charges made no difference.
Pennsylvania where I raised my family has (by various government study reports) one of the healthiest deer populations in the country. Also record numbers of deer hunterby population. At least it was so when I was living there.
I wonder how the health of the deer and wild ruminant populations in Germany fared during the hunting prohibitions after the war? I guess that is a rhetorical question.
Nice briar patch you live in E!